Nostroma's Post; WHAT SHE DID IS SICKENING

To Robert,

As we get to the holiday season and the end of the year, you need to know that there are many of us that are deeply disturbed by what Rose and the company did to you.

For the company to treat you as If you were guilty based on what she said without considering when contact stopped vs. when she made her official complaint is not right. Not at all.

Just disgusts me to no end, as I can't even contemplate breaking a promise like that and treating someone this way.....It’s sickening.

Puke.

Her actions were hateful. It borders on slander, libel, and filing false claim, and to see someone we know and care for being the brunt of such crap makes me want to cry. Actually, just hearing others talking about it makes me want to cry.

What Rose did is more than just "breach of promise." What she said could be taken to court in a legal matter. False charges, slander, etc....are not trivial matters, and the actions taken by H.R. (in your banishment, not fully getting your input, and anything else I miss) besides being unfair, were also possibly legal issues. By not involving the authorities, the company could be sued. If Rose made a firm statement about harrassment, H.R. should have advised her of the seriousness of the situation, and the fact that they (H.R.) should have reported it to the authorities. Perhaps had they done this, she would have reconsidered before she made the unethical claims. At that point, she might have said, "Well, maybe it wasn't exactly that way......." Likewise, H.R. should have reported it to the authorities in your defense, as they should have taken a neutral stand and let the professionals investigate.

You probably have cause for a winning personal lawsuit against Rose, and the company would be wise not to get involved in it.

So far the score is PC 1, ethics and justice zero, and we see discrimination. We all knew about the relationship between you and Rose, and nobody sees what you did that was wrong or deserved discipline.

It’s hard with a big rock on your shoulders especially since we know that the company could remove it if they would, but try to get your old personality back. We miss seeing you like we used to, and she will get hers one day.

Guadalupe Frisco's Post; ALTHOUGH FAIR WASN'T PART OF HER PLAN, YOU WOULD EXPECT BETTER THAN THIS FROM THE COMPANY

I heard of a company presentation once that said that something ethical is probably legal but something legal doesn’t have to be ethical. Anyone remember who said that?

What the company did is legal but not ethical.

There was a high road to be taken, and only Bob took it.

An anonymous blog isn't the high road either, but with Dr. Rick and his unprovoked and unpredictable ugly rages, who do we go to? How is all this ethically different from financial mismanagement or filing false report? Financial mismanagement happened when Rose got free time off, and her report of harassment was like reporting a false result. Are some unethical acts protected? Fair wasn't part of her plan, but you would expect more from a company that could be so compassionate to cancer and hurricane victims.

Why won't the company make an end to this, I mean a real end, not just declare it closed and off limits for discussion?

Just how many managers and Vps have said confidentially that this was handled all wrong? They can't say it openly any more than these bloggers can.

I heard that this has divided the employees. That's what a bad decision can do. But I have not seen the division. Where is the popular support for Rose?

There was nothing unethical in their relationship, but her and the company actions were unethical, especially if she had a domestic matter and the controlling husband had anything to do with it.

Rose caused all this, not Bob, so look to her first as the cause of the trouble.

I have to wonder if the man is being punished for something else. If so, I'll lay odds he wasn't told about it. Maybe this was used to put him right where the company wanted him because he turned down that lab job a few years ago.

Did we actually pay a lawyer to give a legal but unethical, unfair, and unjust decision about Bob just to keep Rose from causing the company some embarrassment? What is Rose holding over the company?

I keep hearing “sacrifice” and its easy to see it. The company needs to be embarrassed in this court of opinion.

Angelus' Post; ACCORDING TO THE EEOC, IN ORDER TO PROTECT ANONYMITY, A CASE CAN BE INITIATED BY SOMEONE OTHER THAN THE PERSON WRONGLY ACCUSED

In your opinion, and in the opinion of the others, is there enough concrete, documented evidence to have suit brought against your employer?

To correct past errors of judgement by HR or other authority personnel, do you or the others feel this is the one situation which could protect employees in the future?

One thought which occurred to me recently was: If Rose was allegedly harassed, feeling stalked, etc...and suffered much emotional stress, is it known if she sought counseling to help her deal with all of it? If she did not, perhaps this is an indication she provided false or hyped-up information which would clearly work against her.

I am not for attacking anyone, but being of the belief that others could be helped and protected in the future, I think it would be wise to not only blog the situation, but also take action.

As indicated in the past, it does no good to simply complain. Change can occur, and even good change, when someone actually gets off their behind and does something.

You are all busy people, as am I, and may not feel it is worth devoting your energy to one man's plight. If this case is pursued, documentation would need to be provided by everyone. Statements, times, etc.....This is not necessarily about bringing down your employer, as you - if you work for the company - all are still there and would have possibly left much sooner.

If a case is pursued, your employer could not fire you specifically because a case is pursued. That would be illegal (does that cause a good chuckle?)

I know of the Houston field office and contact should you and the others wish to take a course of action.

Markle's Post, Converted from Comment; IT'S PASSING SHAMEFUL THAT THE COMPANY WAS COWED INTO SUCH AN UNHOLY AGREEMENT WITH THE GIRL

I was one who made a phone call about this to the hotline last year, and I got an answer that would insult anyone who saw the way Bob treated Rose, and that would be almost everybody except the terminally clueless.

It's plain how a good faith report is treated. The concerns were just ignored. Reporting issues is useless when the company already has an agenda.

Our report was called “allegations”.

We did not make allegations. Rose made allegations. We offered facts, and the company calling the matter closed is just what the problem is. Its not closed for the people who know just how unfair it all is. A screwing like this one does not close.

We did not want confidential information which is probably not all that confidential. We just wanted the company to do the right thing. I would that the company were as interested in doing the ethical thing as in protecting confidential information.

The girl needs to know how all this is taken.

It's passing shameful that the compliance officers would desert a person who was ambushed and betrayed and slandered and damaged like that, and its passing shameful that my company was cowed into such an unholy and unethical agreement with the girl, an agreement that keeps the man good enough to work but makes him not good enough to be seen. It's passing shameful that my company would hand someone a career long sentence to pacify the girl. The relationship between the two people was sweet, but what was done to Bob is ugly and dirty.

Stinkerbelles' Post; WE SHOULD BE THANKFUL TO HAVE HONORABLE PEOPLE LIKE ROSE AND HR TO AMBUSH AND KILL THE MONSTER

Some non bloggers have completely missed the point. This is not to help Bob, it’s to help all the decent people that need to know that there is a horrible harasser among us. Just like the child molester in the neighborhood, everyone needs to know when there is an offender around, and this blog is to expose his crimes.

He must have forced Rose to go to lunch with him and he must have forced her to accept a flower and he sure must have forced her to exchange e mails. Why, I heard that once he was seen to stand up when she came into the room, and I know that once he held a door open for her. No gal should have to put up with that disgusting attention, and thankfully Rose had class enough not to for more than about 3 or 4 years, and she must have been frightened out of her wits the whole time that she was faking appreciation.

It’s even possible that Bob jumped to his feet and held the door for other gals. The masher! Nobody should be let to get away with that. He needed to be banished to somewhere so as not to offend with that brutish character.

The man was a menace, but Rose took care of it for everyone. She got him convicted and sentenced and was compensated for her suffering around him, and rewarded for achievement, and she should be given a day off with pay from time to time.

We are so grateful that Rose had the guts to justify breaking her promise so she could bring down this classless beast who we now know didn't deserve the respect and protection given to clean folks.

And we all still get to milk his brain when we need to and take it all for granted and not show any appreciation. Why not? Whats he going to do, complain about what was done to him? Oh right, there’s that gag order and that person in his office set to watch and report him if he talks.

This was all so honorably done! Damn clever of the company to be able to get it done just with allegations while still being able to protect the guys with the guns and drugs and washroom affairs. It was Bob that was the demon, and we are all just so glad that we have honorable people like Rose and HR who can ambush and kill the monster.

Angelus' Post; HUMAN SACRIFICE - TO THE FALSE GOD OF FACE-SAVING P.C.

This post is a copy of one anonymous complaint to the online compliance hotline and is being published upon special request. Of course, the response was that the issue was closed and no further investigation would be done.
Enjoy:

We lost a dear friend and colleague last year. The cause of our loss?

Human Sacrifice.

One might think that this type of death for devoted employees was out of fashion, or went out long ago. But, we beg to differ.

I am speaking for a number of employees, who are now afraid to take any situation to their Human Resources department, as H.R. made the ultimate sacrifice. Someone chose - CHOSE - to remove Bob from Headquarters and banish him because a female employee brought bogus allegations of harassment. Pure lies, we all know. It is inconcieveable someone would stoop so low as to concoct such evil lies in order to serve some hidden agenda. Probably to save face or to placate her husband.

We watched for a number of years while Bob and Rose had a totally platonic relationship. He took her to lunch and gave her an occasional rose. How do we know this was platonic, you ask? Because it was all done right in front of our noses! We witnessed the lunches. We saw her accept the roses with a smile on her face. We saw her appreciate the creative delivery.

And the worst part of it all is that there was never any look of fear on her face. Nothing but happiness and smiles. To allege harassment is unbelieveable. She was a 50% partner in this relationship, knowing at any time if she wanted to move on, all she had to do was ask and it would be done. In fact, from what we understand, this was a verbal agreement between the two of them - that everything would be handled between the two of them. After all, they were both adults, and honoring agreements is something adults do, right? Wrong.

A little over a year ago, Rose told Robert she wanted to part ways as good friends, and he agreed, thus stopping emails to her, roses, etc....Out of respect for Rose, and general good manners, he totally - TOTALLY - complied with her wishes.

After their relationship ended, Rose went to Jay and brought about allegations of harassment.

Instead of a thorough - THOROUGH - investigation, which should have been done, or mediation which also could have been done, H.R. chose to accept Rose's accusations as gospel truth. This resulted in Bob's removal from Headquarters, and if he had to go to Headquarters, Rose got a day off - with pay. A devoted high-performing employee who has never caused an ounce of trouble does not deserve this.

Referring to the last issue: Is that not taking company money which could go into real compliance issues or employee salary, and using it to further bolster actions which were taken without due course of discovery? What would the E.E.O.C. say about this?

The company took this course of action because they knew that Bob, with that military-like respect for organization and chain of command, would lay down and roll over, not creating a stink for the company.

Unfortunately, not only was this the wrong action, because of the company's poor choice, employees feel they cannot consult H.R. for issues out of fear of losing their jobs, except maybe for payroll.

According to company policy, the employees are told to take issues to their Human Resources department who is amongst other things, dedicated to helping the employees. Hence the name, "Human Resources." For more than a year now, some morale has been at rock-bottom level with nowhere to go. How can they go to the supposed resources department after seeing this development unfairly punish such a well-respected employee? What would this department do to them? Gag them, or fire them for being troublemakers?

What would bring confidence back, you ask....

Perhaps the Human Resources department could hold, or force a quiet round-table discussion with Rose and Robert, whether Rose agrees or not, offering mediation to end this bogus allegation and have all traces of it disappear. We would like for this to happen!

Perhaps Robert needs to pick himself up off the floor, take a deep breath, and for once complain? You know, he could go higher, to the U.K., where the man is not automatically assumed to be guilty. He could have suit brought against the company. He probably has grounds for a law suit against Rose also. In fact, we think he should forget chivalry altogether and do that very thing.

He could consult an attorney. Wouldn't that be something! Poor decision by the company could mean the loss of a lot of money for the company, and if not handled in just the right manner, a massive investigation into false allegations, illegal gags and possible illegal handling of something which could have been avoided altogether if Rose had honored a mutual agreement of keeping everything personal and not involving the company.

We think nothing could be better than a fair and objective internal investigation.

This is my company also, and should do the right thing by Robert. Restoration of his status, compensation for suffering, purging of any negative files would be in order. Think about it, compliance people. We don't want to see another obituary due to human sacrifice which, by the way, went out with the Aztecs.

I will keep a copy of this report. It may be that others will also have to read it. Rose should know where the opinions lie and where the support is.

Does she even care?

Grimalkin's Post; THANK YOU STINKERBELLE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT LIKE THAT. YOUR POST GOT DELETED

Your post is deleted. Name calling and irrelevant things and criticism and that kind of obscenity and caustic remarks are not invited. 77morpheus cyncal and sarcastic post on 10-23 is about as tough as it can be let. Are 77morpheus and you one and the same? Not my business.

When you talk about the matter, though, your comments are right on.

It looks like two or three people found the way to cure Bob of his chronic loyalty and pathological devotion to the company, and his chronic good health too.

Unfortunately there are those two or three who for their own defense will always rationalize that Bob brought everything upon himself. That view is aptly described by one of your obscenities that got deleted. Those two or three caused it all. One lied and betrayed and one over reacted through inexperience and incompetence and one stood aside and did nothing.

Your support and ethical outrage is right on. The company sure didn't take the high road on this and neither did Rose. You bet her husband was part of this and they saw $$. Yeah, she committed the treachery, but greed might run in the family.

No Bob won't talk. Somebody is watching him in his own branch, and if he did not know it he needs to be told. Darn upright of the company. You have to wonder what else the company does not tell him.

Bob, probably knowing that he is under surveillance in his own office, is not talking, but there are people that talk, and none of them support Rose.

If he had done anything after she told him not to, then discipline might have been needed, but its known that he didn't. If his discipline was suppose to be preventive, this is where the winning law suit is.

Preventive discipline has to be illegal.

Rick thinks he might have been fired in some companies, but more possible is that Rose would have been fired for malicious trouble making and Dr. Huntley would have been sent for some training. I wouldn't say it as crudely as you did, but Ricky probably is educated far beyond his competence.

That other head office case you mentioned is relevant because of double standard. It probably was a real case of harassment which that gal would have won in court, so the company paid her to leave and forget it, and the man had an employment contract. This makes it all the more plain that Bob was sacrificed. That other guy will be gone when the contract is up.

You can continue to post and comment but be more careful and to the point.